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I am a victim of shill bidding. What should
I do? Found
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You
found an item that you really like. So, you
place a proxy bid with a relatively high maximum in
order to improve the chance of winning an auction.
Then, you notice that some mysterious bidding patterns
are taking place. Someone bids above you, retracts,
and then bids right under you. Or maybe some
low feedback bidder seems to reside on this seller's
auctions. You are not sure about it, but something
seems fishy here. You begin to wonder, "Have
I been shilled?"
What
is Shill Bidding (aka shilling, bid padding)?
Simply,
this is where a seller bids on their own auctions.
This can also include a friend or family member bidding
as well IF the purpose of their bidding is to lose
and help get the seller a higher price. This
practice is forbidden on Ebay.
Why
does the seller do this?
It
is meant to make the seller more money. They
figure if the shill bids (under a different ID) are
made on an item, it will make the item appear more
attractive to other bidders. After all, many
people might look at items with several bids and assume
that this is a "hot" item based on the number of bids.
A shill bidder might also try to bid against someone
who has placed a high proxy bid. Here, the idea
is to get just under the legitimate bidder's maximum
to gain the most profit. In either case,
the seller could get caught doing this. They
might not know that it is wrong, which is typical
of some newer sellers. Others know exactly what
they are doing by engaging in shill bidding and take
it as a calculated risk. It is possible that
a shill bidder will win their own auction if no one
bids above them. This is also part of the risk
that they take.
Why
it is bad for buyers
Had
it not been for the shill bidder, the buyer may have
acquired the item for a lower price!
Why
it is bad for sellers
They
could get caught and face suspension. As for
the good sellers (the majority) in the Ebay
community, this has become an embarrassment to us.
It makes us all look bad.
What
happens if a shill bidder is caught?
Ebay
officially states that the first time offense will
lead to temporary suspension. If they do it
a second time, suspension will be indefinite.
Also, shill bidding is quite illegal, so it has the
potential to be prosecuted!
How
does one detect shill bidding?
This
is the tricky part. I would also like to put
in a disclaimer here. Often, it is impossible
to determine with 100% accuracy that shill bidding
is occurring. There are bound to be many cases
where one may suspect a shill bidder, yet the auction
has been legitimately run. Then, there are the
cases where nothing appears wrong, but shill bidding
has taken place. It is not always easy to detect.
A very intelligent shill bidder can cover their tracks
very well. Some of the indicators that will
be presented here are warning signs (some stronger
than others). Some of the most common
patterns that have made their way to Ebay's message
board forums are the following:
(1)
You are outbid. Later, the high bidder retracts
and then rebids somewhere near your maximum bid.
This seems to be a common type of shill bidding.
A common characteristic of this type of bidder is
low feedback, multiple bid retractions, and a tendency
to only bid on the seller's auctions. Here is
the typical scenario:
You
bid 100$ on an item that is worth that much to you.
However, you take the lead at 50$ with your maximum
proxy bid set at 100$. Someone bids $1000, taking
the lead at $101 (just enough to beat your maximum).
You would never know that they bid $1000, because
maximum bids are kept secret by Ebay. However,
everyone knows that your maximum had to be
100$, because the high bidder only leads by one increment.
Sometime later, the high bidder retracts with some
excuse. It could very well be "wrong amount".
You are now the high bidder at 50$ again. Suddenly,
that same bidder rebids at 99$. You are now
winning the auction with a 100$ amount due to your
proxy. There are several variations of this
particular scam, but this seems to be the most common
one. The seller has squeezed you to your maximum.
Sure, you were willing to pay the 100$, but you were
wondering how much you might have saved had it not
been for this individual. If you see this happen
to you, it might be worthwhile to notify Safe Harbor.
Something like this could still be legitimate, but
the odds are against it.
(2)
You place a maximum bid of 100$ on an item, but for
right now, your bid registers 50$ (because this is
all that is necessary for you to take the lead).
During the life of the auction, some low feedback
bidder whittles away at your maximum bid. They
never outbid you, but certainly raise the price of
the item. Perhaps you like what this seller
has up for auction. So, you look at some of
this seller's other auctions. You notice that
the bidder is winning some of the seller's other auctions,
but at a relatively low price. Out of curiosity,
you use the "Search" feature to look up this person's
bidding history. You notice that they never
win an auction and that they only bid on that seller's
auctions. There could even be multiple bidders
that display this pattern on that group of auctions.
Common characteristics of this shill bidder
include low feedback and bidding specifically on that
seller's auctions. If you see this, it is time
to send Safe Harbor a note. Be advised that
many buyers like to stick with certain sellers.
Perhaps this is due to a narrow category or maybe
a good business relationship. However, you would
expect them to win an auction from time to time.
(3)
This is a risky type of shill bid, but it has been
known to happen. You see an item that you like
that has a current bid of 50$. You decide to
just bid the next increment and see what happens.
Now, you lead at 51$. Sometime later, you get
that famous "outbid" message in your e-mail.
You think about it and bid again. Now, you lead
by another increment. Later, that same person
outbids you. Then, you bid again, and so forth.
One of three things will happen: You will either
win the auction by one increment OR they will win
the auction by an increment OR someone else will come
in and beat the both of you (perhaps a "snipe" bid?).
You perform a bidder search out of curiosity and maybe
see the same pattern in (2) above. They have
little to no feedback and only seem to bid on this
seller's auctions. There is another facet to
this type of scam. If the shill bidder wins,
the seller may try to sell you the item claiming
that the high bidder backed out. Be especially
suspicious if the seller contacts you within a day
of the end of auction. After all, it takes time
to try and work things out with the high bidder!
Personally, I do not like to make this type of transaction,
because it is not considered an Ebay sale. That
means that the buyer's protection insurance would
not apply here. I might be willing to buy the
item as the 2nd highest bidder if they have some dot-com
address and online business that proves they are a
dealer of the item. Of course, that is just
me. Feedback can only be left for and by the
highest bidder, so no one else in the Ebay world will
know how this transaction ended. That could
make it easier for a seller to hide their shill bidding
operation to some degree. Again, this
is another type of pattern that I sometimes see brought
up on the message boards. It does not guarantee
that something is wrong, but does raise suspicions.
These
three patterns seem to be the most common. However,
there are probably many variations of these as well
as more scenarios. A seasoned buyer eventually
learns what seems wrong and what seems OK. Again,
I cannot stress this enough--there may be nothing
wrong in actuality although there seems to be something
wrong. If you report strange activity to Safe
Harbor that looks like shill bidding, and they reply
back that there is no problem, don't worry about it.
It is better to be safe than sorry. The investigation
will be discreet. In meantime, you should assume
this is a valid transaction until Safe Harbor tells
you otherwise. There are many people who back
out of an auction where nothing wrong happened.
That is certainly not fair to the seller. If
Safe Harbor does tell you that a problem exists, they
will be able to assist you with the next appropriate
steps.
How
do I report it?
First
and foremost, I would say--use your best judgment.
I do not intend for this page to initiate a witchunt
against everything that could remotely resemble a
shill bid. If you really think that a genuine
shill has taken place, it may help to ask someone
else what they think about it. If it looks like
a problem, you need to send all of the information
about that auction to Ebay. Include the auction
number, why you think this is shill bidding, and the
appropriate user ID's. The email address is
safeharbor@ebay.com. They will investigate the
auction(s) and do so discreetly. If you have
won the particular auction, be prepared to pay for
the item if Ebay has determined that the auction is
legitimate. If the auction has not concluded,
you may still send the information to Safe Harbor
so that they can look into this.
How
can I safeguard against shill bidding?
(1)
Bid as late as you can. For the veteran posters
in the Bidding board as well as myself, the most favorite
weapon is the late bid (the later, the better).
You cannot be a victim of shill bidding if you do
not even give the seller a chance to bid against you.
Even this method is not foolproof. Shill bidding
may have occurred to someone else earlier in the auction.
If you bid late, they will not get a chance to whittle
away at your maximum bid.
(2)
Notify Safe Harbor when necessary. If there
is good evidence of a shill bid, let Safe Harbor know.
They have the software to look at things that we cannot,
such as common ISP's, email addresses, home addresses,
credit card numbers, etc. If they catch a shill
bidder because of your vigilance, then you have rid
Ebay of one of these unscrupulous people. Good
job! Again, use good judgment. Some people
have a tendency to cry "wolf" on the message boards
when there is nothing apparently strange about the
auction.
(3)
Know your seller Before you bid, look
at some their past auctions and check for bidding
patterns. Look through the auctions and check
the seller's feedback for low-feedback NARUs.
NARU indicates a non-registered user.
Usually, these people have been suspended for some
reason. It could be possible that they were
once the seller's "accomplices". Also, look
for those warning signs that are given above when
trying to detect a shill bidder. No one
can protect you from shilling better than you can
yourself! |